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  CAN WE SOLVE THE MYSTERY of why Watchtower doctrines changed when they changed?

  by Terry in

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  if a person gives a police report of a traumatic event, but later changes their facts during cross-examination, these changes are used to impeach the honesty of the witness.. this impeachment flows from a logical understanding facts must match reality without contradiction.. lets examine the history of the watchtower corporations leaders with a view to the harmony of.

  true teaching over a period of years from 1879-1942.. "even though christmas is not the real anniversary of our lord's birth, but more properly the annunciation day or the date of his human begetting (luke 1:28), nevertheless, since the celebration of our lord's birth is not a matter of divine appointment or injunction, but merely a tribute of respect to him, it is not necessary for us to quibble particularly about the date.

  we may as well join with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event on the day which the majority celebrate - "christmas day.

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  @ Terry

  In addition to the points you mention, ask yourself just why the organization made adjustments to the boold doctrine as it relates to "components." Could it be someone of note was in need?
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  What Made You Finally Wake Up?

  by Tenacious in

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  hello to all.

  i've been on this site for a couple of weeks now posting here and there but have not had the opportunity to read about many of the regular members and what led up to their leaving the wt.. i understand that some of you (i'm part of this club) may not be able to disclose many details and i can appreciate that.. i'd love to hear what was it that finally made you renounce what is and hopefully soon to be "was" the wt.. i truly look forward to having good discussions.. thank you to all for your kind participation.. .

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  The blatant lack of love that myself and my family experienced after a major tragedy. After having given of myself selflessly for so many years to comfort and assist, and then to sit there all alone with absolutely no one, not one elder, not one supposed friend, absolutely no one did more than the cursory condolence. If love "identifies" the true religion, then there is none....

  that, in addition to all the strange and unfounded doctrine that I kept putting aside through my cognitive dissonance...then, llike the floodgates of heaven (or the supposed water "canopy" that the organization attributes the flood to) opened up and as the scales fell from the eyes of Paul, I realized it was all a bunch of malarkey. A perpetual adjustment-fest to keep the masses in obedience so that the money could keep rolling in....
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  2 Faced JWs and Thanksgiving

  by minimus in

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  many jws enjoy turkey on thanksgiving day and are often discreet about their indulgences.

  why be two faced?

  why try to excuse it?.

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  Turkey is cheap around thanksgiving....so are excuses of those that say they arent celebrating.
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  When JW's say, "the farther we get from Adam..." to explain Autism, illness etc. is it just denial?

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  i am so sick of hearing jw's blame everything from autism to hangnails on our proxemity to the existence of no-navel-man adam.

  they thereby betray their own lack of personal responsibility for their poor physical and mental health on adam.

  just maybe a little more work to afford a doctor visit once in a while wouldn't hurt?

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  The life expectancy of mankind throughout the earth is longer than EVER in the history of mankind....the farther and farther we get from the mythological ADAM.
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  jw.org says "be your own person"

  by hoser in

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  on jw.org.

  http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/whiteboard-animations/stand-up-to-peer-pressure/.

  it says be your own person at 0:53. .

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  "Be your own person. We will add your biological distinctiveness to us and serves us as the BORG. Resistance is futile. We wish only to raise the quality of life for all species. Your life as it has been is over. From this time forward you will serve only us, only the BORG. A neural transceiver is required for maximum communication. Freedom is irrelevant. Self-determination is irrelevant. Be your own person."

  -from some article somewhere
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  "The governing body at that time..."

  by OneEyedJoe in

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  so i'm listening to the regional manager give his mid week talk and he's going over acts 15 where they're dealing with the issues that arrose from the jewish christians wanting the gentile christians to adhear too the mosaic law, so some of the apostles gathered to hash it out.

  it struck me, though, that he kept using the phrase "the governing body at that time" to describe the apostles and older men who decided on the matter.

  once he even slipped up and said apostles, then corrected it to the gb.. i'm thinking that they've actually gone so far as to put it in his outline to make sure its beaten into the r/f that the gb's power is somehow based in scripture.

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  @ objectivetruth

  Right on! That is EXACTLY the argument I had with my CO friend several years ago. Paul was a rogue...he had no direction other than the Holy Spirit. Words are twisted to give power to these self-appointed leaders!
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  If elders are responsible for the teaching, the flock---

  by prologos in

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  can you look at any of them and think, say: you taught:-- " the f&ds , the "anointed" existing since pentecost" ---you taught:.

  the non-overlapping generation of 1914 ---.

  the local drive to get it done before 1975*--.

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  Most elders do not understand nor accept the responsibility associated with the position. James states in James 3:1- "Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly."

  The weight of that scripture moved me to leave the position after many serious questions about policy and doctine, particularly the policy on child abuse that is SOOO affecting the organization now.
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  We're not dealing with sincere anointed who genuinely believe their teachings but scam artists

  by truthseeker in

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  looking at all the doctrinal teachings over the last five years, it's almost impossible for any person of conscience who originated such doctrine to do a complete u-turn and change it when the passage of time has proved beyond doubt that doctrine is no longer credible.. i say this with reference to the generation of 1914. they were so sure.

  it was part of the awake!

  masthead for decades that those who saw the events of 1914 would also see the great tribulation.. .

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  they are delusional, but they are spiritual, so you have to accept their delusion.
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  Reject "worldly" fantasies, pursue Kingdom "realities"!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

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  2. beliefs

  have you had the pleasure of hearing this doozy??

  i believe it was presented at the circuit level first, it has filtered it's way down.. the poor eldub opens with this definition of the word fantasize:.

  "to conceive fanciful or extravagant notions, ideas, suppositions, ect.

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  The reality is....dont pursue higher education unless WE NEED YOU. Then, GREAT!

  Worldly fantasies are bad, unless you are talking about the selection of the GB, tight pants, and Spanxx as well as the idea that there will be a new world.
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  Some Thoughts on Candace Conti/Oral Argument

  by DNCall in

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  the length of time it has taken from the final briefing to the scheduling of oral argument may be due to a couple of factors.

  in california, many of the courts are backed up due to budget cuts, layoffs and furloughs.

  some courts are worse than others.

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  I agree with your position that time has elapsed due to the legal questions and not the state of the courts. The appelate realizes that their decision will have an impact beyond the Candace case. If the ORG was to lose, which I believe they will, then appealing to the Supreme court would be disastrous as it will have nationwide ramifications and the ORG's process will be held to an all-encompassing scrutiny that only exist at the Supreme level...I don't know if the ORG wishes to be scrutinized with a magnifying glass. The fact that EVERY state and territory would be allowed to submit in pro or favor could be disastrous as well.

  We shall see.....keep your fingers crossed. Unless you are still active, then don't cross your fingers cause that's bad.

  SOP